Talking Under Water
Talking Under Water is a One Water podcast for the water industry. Editors from Endeavor’s Water Group highlight news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and interviews with experts. Topics covered include water and wastewater treatment, stormwater and erosion control, diversity, regulations/legislation, flooding, circular water economy, water scarcity, small systems, emerging contaminants, smart water and more.
Episodes

Wednesday May 24, 2023
Bonus Episode: Smart water products & solutions with Badger Meter
Wednesday May 24, 2023
Wednesday May 24, 2023
In this sponsored episode of Talking Under Water, Bob Crossen speaks with Badger Meter Vice President of Software and Water Quality Matt Stuyvenberg about smart water, flow measurement and water quality. Badger Meter acquired ATI Technologies, s::can and Syrinix to bolster its presence in the water quality and pressure measurement markets. By combining the company’s expertise in flow measurement with these pressure measurement and water quality technologies, Stuyvenberg explains how intelligent measurement is improving utility decision-making around the world.
Show Notes:
Visit the Badger Meter website
Ultrasonic meters deliver smart savings for Rowan County
Read more smart utility articles
Timestamps:
Introduction | 0:00
Interview begins | 1:04
Defining smart water | 1:25
Speed of smart water adoption | 3:17
How have metering technologies evolved? | 4:16
Benefits of cellular communications | 5:50
The intersection of flow measurement and water quality | 8:16
Correlating data in quicker timeframes is a learning moment | 10:17
Emerging trends in water quality monitoring | 11:34
Resilience for wastewater monitoring and collection systems | 14:40
How customers are using solutions today | 17:13
How to make devices talk to each other | 19:03
Housekeeping | 20:56
Awards
WQP Awards: www.wqpmag.com/faces-industry
WWD Top Projects: www.wwdmag.com/top-projects-nomination
WWD Industry Icon: www.wwdmag.com/industry-icon-nomination-form
WWD Youtube Channel: www.youtube.com/@wastewaterdigest
StormCon Discount:
Talking Under Water listeners have access to a special discount code to register for this year's StormCon. When registering, use the code ONEWATER10 to receive a 10% discount on your conference registration. Visit bit.ly/stormconreg2023 to register and use the code.
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Water & Wastes Digest (WWD), Water Quality Products (WQP) and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tylayshia / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@sgcmail.com or engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Thursday May 18, 2023
Episode 68: Flood Control Trends
Thursday May 18, 2023
Thursday May 18, 2023
In this month’s episode of Talking Under Water, hosts Bob Crossen and Katie Johns give an update on Build America, Buy America as the 1-year anniversary of its implementation hits. They also touch on U.S. EPA’s first-ever Clean Water Act Enforcement for PFAS in stormwater and share an update from the Chesapeake Bay Program’s Scientific and Technical Advisory Committee. Finally, they share interview with Pradeep Nagarajan, integrated water management, technical director for GHD. Johns spoke with Pradeep on all things flood control – trends, new technologies and how the climate is playing into these.
Show Notes:
EPA makes first-ever Clean Water Act enforcement for PFAS in stormwater
Chesapeake Bay Foundation releases report on slow restoration
Build America, Buy America and its implementation issues
What to know about the Build America, Buy America Act today
Timestamps:
Cold open | 0:00
Episode summary | 1:06
BABA 1-year anniversary overview | 1:44
Who ensures BABA compliance? | 4:39
How are subcomponents calculated in manufactured products? | 5:11
How should OEMs respond to seeing BABA compliance in bid specs? | 5:39
Is labor counted in construction or assembly? | 6:20
Timelines and business impacts on BABA | 7:19
The first ever CWA PFAS enforcement for stormwater | 8:45
Chesapeake Bay water quality progess slower than expected | 10:16
Interview begins
Trends or solutions for flood mitigation | 13:06
Challenges in overcoming feasibility of solutions | 14:19
The impacts of frequency and intensity of storms increasing | 16:45
GHD’s approach to flood mitigation | 20:43
One water and regional stormwater strategies | 23:28
How funding improves adaptability | 25:43
Digital transformation and artificial intelligence | 27:41
Importance of collaboration and communication | 29:22
Final thoughts | 30:51
Housekeeping | 32:30
Awards
WQP Faces of the Industry
StormCon Discount:
Talking Under Water listeners have access to a special discount code to register for this year's StormCon. When registering, use the code ONEWATER10 to receive a 10% discount on your conference registration. Visit bit.ly/stormconreg2023 to register and use the code.
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Water & Wastes Digest (WWD), Water Quality Products (WQP) and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@sgcmail.com or engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Thursday May 04, 2023
Episode 67: The Reservoir Center for Water Solutions
Thursday May 04, 2023
Thursday May 04, 2023
In this month’s episode of Talking Under Water, Bob Crossen was invited to The Reservoir Center for Water Solutions in Washington, D.C. Although sponsored by Xylem, the center aims to be a neutral space for water leaders to convene, share ideas and have productive conversations about the most pressing water concerns of our time. In this episode’s interview, Josh Mahan, director of government and industry relations for Xylem, shares why this mission is important for the center, how it aims to accomplish that and how it will carry that charge for the future.
Show Notes:
Flip through The Reservoir Center Photo Gallery (https://waterworld.com/home/media-gallery/14293333/the-reservoir-center-for-water-solutions)
Learn more about The Reservoir Center on its website (https://www.reservoircenter.org/)
Read the press release about the opening of the center (https://www.waterworld.com/drinking-water/potable-water-quality/press-release/14278408/water-leaders-launch-new-center-to-accelerate-action-on-global-water-sustainability-challenges)
Timestamps:
Introduction | 0:00
Interview begins | 1:01
Why make The Reservoir Center | 1:25
How do you envision using this space | 3:35
The Reservoir Center partners and affiliates | 7:10
How the center can tackle our water challenges | 9:38
A space to think and dream about water’s future | 12:38
Interview outro | 13:45
Housekeeping | 14:46
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Water & Wastes Digest (WWD), Water Quality Products (WQP) and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@sgcmail.com or engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Friday Apr 28, 2023
Episode 66: Analysis of U.S. EPA’s PFAS MCLs proposal
Friday Apr 28, 2023
Friday Apr 28, 2023
In this month’s episode of Talking Under Water, hosts Bob Crossen and Katie Johns touch on the Healthy Drinking Water Affordability Act and funding that has been appropriated for the Clean Water State Revolving fund. Finally, we are sharing two interviews in this episode, one with Walt Marlowe, executive director of the Water Environment Federation and Chris Moody of the American Water Works Association. These two interviews share both WEF and AWWA’s thoughts on the EPA’s PFAS MCLs goals and measurements.
Show Notes:
Talking Under Water Episode 65: EPA proposes PFAS Maximum Contaminant Levels (https://www.wwdmag.com/contaminants/per-polyflouroalkyl-substances-pfas/podcast/33002985/talking-under-water-episode-65-epa-proposes-pfas-maximum-contaminant-levels)
EPA proposes MCLs for six PFAS in drinking water (https://www.waterworld.com/drinking-water/potable-water-quality/article/14290995/epa-proposes-mcls-for-six-pfas-in-drinking-water)
Healthy Drinking Water Affordability Act introduced in House (https://www.wqpmag.com/filtration/press-release/33002448/healthy-drinking-water-affordability-act-introduced-in-house)
EPA announces $775M for Clean Water SRF (https://www.wwdmag.com/utility-management/press-release/33002951/epa-announces-775m-for-clean-water-state-revolving-fund)
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Water & Wastes Digest (WWD), Water Quality Products (WQP) and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@sgcmail.com or engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Wednesday Apr 05, 2023
Episode 65: EPA proposes PFAS Maximum Contaminant Levels
Wednesday Apr 05, 2023
Wednesday Apr 05, 2023
On March 14, U.S. EPA held a press conference in Wilmington, North Carolina to announce the Maximum Contaminant Levels and Maximum Contaminant Level goals for six PFAS, including the two most prolific ones, PFOA and PFOS. Endeavor Water Group Editor Jeremy Wolfe shares the details of this press conference as well as responses from industry experts and organizations following the announcement.
Show Notes:
EPA proposes MCLS for six PFAS in drinking water
Organizations have mixed responses to EPA’s proposed PFAS MCLs
Timestamps:
Episode summary | 0:10
The six regulated PFAS | 1:28
PFOA and PFOS MCL limits | 1:43
The PFAS hazard index | 1:55
Industry responds o PFAS MCLs | 3:46
Cost challenges | 4:21
Start Admin Regan audiogram | 4:56
EPA to hold polluters accountable | 5:38
Stresses on workforce and supply chains | 6:12
Criticism of hazard index | 6:47
Housekeeping | 7:32
Awards
WWD Young Pros : wwdmag.com/nominate
WQP Awards: www.wqpmag.com/faces-industry
StormCon Discount:
Talking Under Water listeners have access to a special discount code to register for this year's StormCon. When registering, use the code ONEWATER10 to receive a 10% discount on your conference registration. Visit bit.ly/stormconreg2023 to register and use the code.
https://bit.ly/stormcon23reg
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Water & Wastes Digest (WWD), Water Quality Products (WQP) and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@sgcmail.com or engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Thursday Mar 16, 2023
Episode 64: Women in Water with Naomi Jones & Michaela Rempkowski
Thursday Mar 16, 2023
Thursday Mar 16, 2023
In this month’s episode of Talking Under Water the hosts discuss U.S. EPA’s recent MCLs proposal for six PFAS in drinking water, share notes from a Build America, Buy America webinar and talk about new funding from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law through this year’s Clean Water State Revolving Fund. Finally, our interview this month is with Naomi Jones and Michaela Rempkowski, who are design integration directors for McCarthy Building Company’s Water Business Unit. They share with us their career paths, advice and what it means to be women in water.
Show Notes:
EPA allocates $2.4B for 2023 Clean Water State Revolving Fund
Talking Under Water Episode 63: Women in Water with Megan Glover
Women in Water: Creating a Pipeline to Opportunity
EPA proposes MCLs for six PFAS in drinking water
Examples of PFAS Hazard Index Equations
Timestamps:
Cold open | 0:00
Episode summary | 1:27
EPA PFAS MCL & MCLG announcement | 2:08
Cybersecurity memorandum | 5:19
Update on Build America, Buy America | 5:57
Impact of BABA delays on business | 8:32
EPA announcement of CWSRF funding | 9:27
Interview begins | 10:30
Michaela Rempkowski career path | 11:10
Naomi Jones career path | 12:15
McCarthy’s all-women design integration team | 13:20
What working with an all-women team is like | 15:17
The role of mentorship | 17:39
Michaela’s advice for young women professionals | 20:01
Naomi’s advice for young women professionals | 20:55
What it means to be a woman in the water industry | 22:30
Awards:
WWD Young Pros
WQP Young Pros & Industry Icon
StormCon Discount:
Talking Under Water listeners have access to a special discount code to register for this year's StormCon. When registering, use the code ONEWATER10 to receive a 10% discount on your conference registration. Visit bit.ly/stormconreg2023 to register and use the code.
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Water & Wastes Digest (WWD), Water Quality Products (WQP) and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@sgcmail.com or engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Wednesday Mar 01, 2023
Episode 63: Women in Water with Megan Glover
Wednesday Mar 01, 2023
Wednesday Mar 01, 2023
In episode 63 of Talking Under Water, we feature an interview with Megan Glover, CEO of 120Water. In just seven years, Glover has grown her Indiana-based business focused on lead in water awareness to a premiere thought leadership business on the Lead & Copper Rule.
In the spirit of Women’s History Month, she shares her experience growing her business as a woman in the water industry, how she addresses those challenges and where she wants to take the business moving forward.
Show Notes:
https://www.wwdmag.com/editorial-topical/women-in-water
https://www.wwdmag.com/editorial-topical/young-pros/video/10938966/megan-glover-2020-wwd-young-pros
Time Stamps:
Introduction | 0:00
Why water? | 1:21
What about your position excites you right now? | 3:36
What is the most important issue facing the industry to you? | 5:44
Complex business opportunities for lead in water | 8:04
The role of mentorship | 9:23
What it means to be a woman in water | 10:50
Breaking into the industry as a woman | 12:13
Differences in social and societal gender expectations | 13:59
Mentally checking out and meditation | 15:39
Housekeeping | 18:32
Award Programs:
Stormwater Solutions Young Pros
Stormwater Solutions Industry Icon
Wastewater Digest Young Pros
StormCon Discount:
Talking Under Water listeners have access to a special discount code to register for this year's StormCon. When registering, use the code ONEWATER10 to receive a 10% discount on your conference registration. Visit bit.ly/stormconreg2023 to register and use the code.
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Water & Wastes Digest (WWD), Water Quality Products (WQP) and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@sgcmail.com or engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Friday Feb 17, 2023
Episode 62: Diversity, equity & inclusion in the water sector
Friday Feb 17, 2023
Friday Feb 17, 2023
In this month’s episode, the hosts discuss The Norfolk Southern East Palestine train derailment, new funding for emerging contaminants and share an interview on DE&I in the water industry.
In this month’s episode of Talking Under Water co-hosts Bob Crossen and Katie Johns share an update on the The Norfolk Southern East Palestine train derailment’s impact on surface and groundwater in Eastern Ohio and Western Pennsylvania and touch on new funding for emerging contaminants in drinking water through the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. Additionally, this month’s interview dives into diversity, equity and inclusion in the water sector with W&T Contracting Corporation co-owners and brothers Wiley and Terrell Richards. The Richardses talked with Johns about their careers, goals, advice and more.
Show Notes:
Ohio EPA asserts low contamination risk from train derailment
EPA announces $2B available for emerging contaminants in drinking water
Talking Under Water Episode 49: The Importance of DE&I to the Water Industry
Timestamps:
Cold open | 0:00
Episode summary | :057
The Norfolk Southern East Palestine Train derailment | 1:51
Emerging contaminant funding | 8:48
Interview intro | 11:06
Interview starts | 11:25
Wiley & Terrell Richards’ career paths | 12:10
About W&T Contracting Corporation |14:42
The importance of mentorship programs | 18:20
MBE requirements | 20:13
DE&I evolution | 22:18
Addressing the staffing shortage | 24:52
Advice | 26:36
Subcontract at Ford Blue Oval Plant | 27:55
Final thoughts | 29:58
Interview ends | 31:05
Housekeeping | 31:22
End | 33:45
Award Programs:
Stormwater Solutions Young Pros
Stormwater Solutions Industry Icon
Wastewater Digest Young Pros
StormCon Discount:
Talking Under Water listeners have access to a special discount code to register for this year's StormCon. When registering, use the code ONEWATER10 to receive a 10% discount on your conference registration. Visit bit.ly/stormconreg2023 to register and use the code.
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Water & Wastes Digest (WWD), Water Quality Products (WQP) and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@sgcmail.com or engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.

Thursday Feb 02, 2023
Episode 61: Xylem acquires Evoqua
Thursday Feb 02, 2023
Thursday Feb 02, 2023
In this bonus episode, Bob Crossen talks with Albert Cho, Al Cho, Chief Strategy and External Affairs Officer at Xylem, and Snehal A. Desai, Chief Growth and Sustainability Officer at Evoqua, about Xylem’s recent $7.5 billion acquisition of Evoqua.
What does this all-stock acquisition mean for water and wastewater professionals? Learn how the acquisition will impact plant managers and operators looking to maintain their equipment from either company for the long term, and what it will mean for purchasing and specifying engineers and consultants. Lastly, Cho and Desai share their thoughts on the future of the water and wastewater industry in light of this business deal.
Show Notes:
Xylem to acquire Evoqua in $7.5B transaction
Xylem acquires Evoqua Water Technologies [Video]
Time Stamps:
Introduction | 0:00
Interview starts |
Why did Xylem make this acquisition? | 1:42
How is Evoqua viewing the transaction? | 4:00
How Xylem and Evoqua are integrating their goals | 6:28
Lowering the barrier to solving problems | 9:33
What to expect in the near and long term? | 10:33
Closing out the interview | 12:02
Housekeeping | 12:55
Award Programs:
Stormwater Solutions Young Pros
Stormwater Solutions Industry Icon
Wastewater Digest Young Pros
StormCon Discount:
Talking Under Water listeners have access to a special discount code to register for this year's StormCon. When registering, use the code ONEWATER10 to receive a 10% discount on your conference registration. Visit bit.ly/stormconreg2023 to register and use the code.

Wednesday Jan 25, 2023
Episode 60: Industrial Water Trends to Watch
Wednesday Jan 25, 2023
Wednesday Jan 25, 2023
In this month’s episode of Talking Under Water co-hosts Bob Crossen and Katie Johns share brief highlights of the EPA’s Effluent Limitation Guidelines Plan 15, an overview on a potential pricing model for water utilities and a look at a U.S. Geological Survey groundwater study about the connection between groundwater sources and agricultural use.
This month's interview is with Daniel Gaddy, managing editor for Water Technology, Processing and Processing Instrumentation, all of which are Endeavor Business Media publications much like Wastewater Digest, Stormwater Solutions, WaterWorld and Water Quality Products. Gaddy and Crossen discussed the trends in the industrial water and wastewater sector, and what that likely means for business opportunity in 2023.
Show Notes:
Groundwater is running low in agricultural areas of Nevada
A promising water pricing model for equity and financial resilience
EPA announces plans for new landfill wastewater PFAS regulations
Effluent Guidelines Program Plan 15
Detroit’s major sewer interceptor connecting tunnel | 2022 WWD Top Projects
Timestamps:
Cold open | 0:00
Episode summary | 1:02
News | 2:30
Interview with Daniel Gaddy begins | 7:49
Trends in the industrial sector | 8:18
Business development for industrial water and wastewater | 12:25
Regulations impacting industrial users | 14:44
Industrial storm water management | 18:51
Housekeeping | 29:39
Award Programs:
Stormwater Solutions Young Pros
Stormwater Solutions Industry Icon
Wastewater Digest Young Pros
StormCon Discount:
Talking Under Water listeners have access to a special discount code to register for this year's StormCon. When registering, use the code ONEWATER10 to receive a 10% discount on your conference registration. Visit bit.ly/stormconreg2023 to register and use the code.
About the Podcast
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Water & Wastes Digest (WWD), Water Quality Products (WQP) and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@sgcmail.com or engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.