Talking Under Water

Exploring the intersection of data, communications & power infrastructure, Part I

In this week's episode of Talking Under Water, we are sharing part one of a panel featuring infrastructure and energy editorial leads at Endeavor Business Media. This panel, EBM's Data Center, Communications, and Power Infrastructure Confluence Forum, is a shared discussion on important topics, such as funding and regulations, and how those are affecting various infrastructure brands. The brands that participated in this panel include: Data Center Frontier, Cabling Installation & Maintenance, ISE, Lightwave and Microgrid Knowledge.
We will share the second half of this panel soon, with even more panels on the way. The Water Group, of which this podcast is a part, will be included in an upcoming panel, so stay tuned. 
Show Notes: 
Cabling Installation & Maintenance
ISE | ICT Solutions & Education
Lightwave and Broadband Pulse
Microgrid Knowledge
Timestamps: 
Intro | 0:00
Data Center Frontier segment begins | 2:04
How ChatGPT changed the data center landscape | 2:33
Power and transmission needed for data processing | 4:18
Fusion and nuclear energy development | 7:09
Semiconductor needs for U.S. Data Center growth | 10:11
Public-private partnerships to lower carbon footprints | 13:06
Broadband Equity Access and Deployment program | 15:05
How BEAD will open doors for small and independent business | 18:20
How BEADS funds are distributed for projects | 20:18 
What is BABA for digital infrastructure | 21:40
How BABA has impacted the digital infrastructure market | 24:29
How big tech has influenced the telecomm industry | 27:18
The winds of generative AI makes landfall | 29:25
How much connectivity do consumers want and how much data will they share? | 30:47
The culture of streaming and gaming is changing bandwith needs | 32:07
Cloud-computing isn't the future, it is now | 33:45
Housekeeping | 33:45
Resources:
WWD YouTubeChannel
WaterWorld Top Projects Nominations
StormCon Call for Papers
About the Podcast    
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Wastewater Digest (WWD), WaterWorld and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WaterWorld and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.    
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@endeavorb2b.com  engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media. 

What does a day without water look like in 2024?

In this episode of Talking Under Water, we are continuing our annual tradition started last year of asking our colleagues within Endeavor Business Media about the importance of water for their industries and what a day without water would look like in their market. This year, we are featuring the Robert Schoenberger Manufacturing group editorial director; Matthew Vincent, editor-in-chief of Data Center Fronteer; Christina Wichmann, Medical Laboratory Observer editor-in-chief; and Steve Spaulding, Contractor Magazine editor-in-chief. Each recorded a small featurette, and hosts Bob Crossen, Mandy Crispin and Alex Cossin share their takeaways and thoughts about those submissions throughout the episode.
Show Notes
www.industryweek.com
www.datacenterfrontier.com
www.mlo-online.com 
www.contractormag.com
Timestamps
Cold open | 0:00
Host introduction and episode summary | 1:19
Water in manufacturing | 2:31
A day without water in data centers | 9:38
Water quality needs in medical labs | 16:25
Reducing days without water with residential plumbing contractors | 21:05
Final water group editor takeaways | 25:00
Housekeeping | 27:44
Resources
Talking Under Water WEFTEC 2024 Wrap-up video: https://youtu.be/050cLMx1UmY?si=PXSmfCLgBJZBo2i3
Stormwater Solutions State of the Industry Survey:   https://bit.ly/soti24 
About the Podcast    
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Wastewater Digest (WWD), WaterWorld and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WaterWorld and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.    
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@endeavorb2b.com  engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media. 

Finding Adaptive Solutions with VertiGIS

Steve Grise is the GM of utilities for North America at VertiGIS. In this episode, Grise explains how VertiGIS aims to help organizations to manage the data they need. In addition to traditional mapping and work management support, there are many other challenges such as the retiring workforce, regulatory pressures, and aging infrastructure. Grise talks about helping organizations tackle these challenges head-on, offering adaptive solutions that future-proof their operations from a broader perspective. 
 
Show Notes: 
Leveraging data to optimize shipping through the Panama Canal while protecting local water supply 
Digital transformation roadmap for drinking water systems 
Streamline Your Water Utility Network Management Using VertiGIS Networks | WaterWorld 
 
Timestamps: 
0:00 | Introduction 
2:04 | Interview begins 
2:11 | VertiGIS technologies making a difference 
6:00| Efficiency of digital solutions 
8:24 | Biggest challenges facing the water market 
10:52 | How to address those challenges 
11:39 | Addressing aging workforce and aging infrastructure 
18:59 | Foreseeable trends in water management technology 
23:50 | How VertiGIS is positioned to address water market trends 
25:31 | Advice for organizations who are hesitant to adopt new technology 
31:47 | Housekeeping  
 
 
Resources: 
WWD State of the Industry Survey: https://bit.ly/wastewater24 
Stormwater Solutions State of the Industry Survey:   https://bit.ly/soti24 
WaterWorld State of the Industry Survey:  https://bit.ly/waterworld24 
 
About the Podcast    
  
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Wastewater Digest (WWD), WaterWorld and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WaterWorld and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.    
  
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@endeavorb2b.com  engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.   
  

WEFTEC 2024 Wrap-up

In this episode of Talking Under Water, hosts Mandy Crispin, Alex Cossin and Bob Crossen discuss their experience at WEFTEC and their main takeaways from the show. Crossen talks about his conversations surrounding destruction and disposal of PFAS and the concerns water professionals have about the emissions from destruction technologies. Crispin shares some insights from a conversation she had with a utility about its challenges relating to PFAS and Lead and Copper Rule compliance. And Cossin shares his thoughts about his first ever WEFTEC including some of the new products that he saw on the showfloor. Finally, the hosts answer questions submitted by listeners at the show. 
 Show Notes:    
WEFTEC 2024 kicks off with opening general session 
U.S. EPA issues final ruling requiring replacement of lead pipes within 10 years, announces funding 
PFAS Across the Water Cycle in 2024 
This PFAS removal system can use GAC or IX 
Oldcastle Infrastructure joins public-private partnership to solve water scarcity   
Resources:  
Subscribe to WWD  
SWS State of the Industry Survey  
WaterWorld Top Projects Nominations  
  
About the Podcast    
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Wastewater Digest (WWD), WaterWorld and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WaterWorld and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.     
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@endeavorb2b.com  engaging with them on X @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commnting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.   
  

Clean Water Act Violations & Integrated Water Resources partnership

In this episode of Talking Under Water, the hosts discuss a report of alleged Clean Water Act violations in Idaho, a partnership between the Bureau of Reclamation and other federal agencies to address water management challenges, and infrastructure funding news. 
 
Show Notes:   
Idaho wastewater treatment plant report shows 458 Clean Water Act violations in 2023 
Submitting a letter of interest for a WIFIA loan 
Bureau of Reclamation joins partnership to address water management challenges 
 
 
 
Timestamps:   
0:0 | Cold open 
0:53 | Host introduction and episode summary 
1:28 | 458 Clean Water Act violations in Idaho 
3:05 | Bureau of Reclamation joins water management group 
4:11 | $7.5 billion in WIFIA funding available 
7:17 | Housekeeping  
 
 
Resources: 
Subscribe to WWD 
SWS State of the Industry Survey 
WaterWorld Top Projects Nominations 
  
About the Podcast   
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Wastewater Digest (WWD), WaterWorld and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.   
   
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@endeavorb2b.com  engaging with them on X @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.  
  

How will Metering as a Service Work for the Water Industry?

In this episode of Talking Under Water, Co-host Bob Crossen is joined by Bruce Bharat, country manager and vice president of North America for Kamstrup, and Jason Hewitt, managing partner of Infrastructure for Sustainability Partners. Crossen spoke with them about metering as a service, how their business model works, the safeguards in place for utilities, and the long-term goals they have in mind. 
 
Show Notes:   
St. Lucie, Florida West Services District deploys Kamstrup meters 
Navigating the digital landscape toward a water secure future 
 
 
Timestamps:   
Intro | 0.08 
Interview begins | 1:29 
Defining metering as a service | 2:05 
Breaking down the relationship in Maas | 4:27 
Who owns the meters in MaaS contract? | 9:32 
Maintenance and timelines and servicing speed | 13:40 
Utilities can still work on the meters | 17:07 
Upgrading Maas meters and price increases | 19:41 
What happens if utility goes bankrupt? | 25:06 
Housekeeping | 30:01  
  
About the Podcast   
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Wastewater Digest (WWD), WaterWorld and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WQP and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.   
   
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@endeavorb2b.com  engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.  
  
  

SpaceX permit application & a new PFAS testing initiative

In this episode of Talking Under Water, we share recent industry news including SpaceX’s application for a treated wastewater discharge permit; the Delaware Riverkeeper’s notice of in intent to sue U.S. EPA regarding proposed rules for the Clean Water Act; some Lead and copper rule updates and a deadline reminder; and finally, a PFAS testing initiative from EPA and the US Army. 
Show Notes
SpaceX submits TPDES application amid alleged Clean Water Act violations
Delaware Riverkeeper Network sends U.S. EPA notice of intent to sue for Clean Water Act violations
U.S. EPA and Detroit celebrate efforts to remove lead from drinking water 
Locating "lead-lined" iron pipes in drinking water distribution systems 
U.S. EPA and U.S. Army announce joint sampling project to detect PFAS contamination near Army installations 
Time Stamps
Cold open | 0:00
Host introduction & episode summary | 1:04
SpaceX permit application | 1:43
Delaware Riverkeeper's intent to sue U.S. EPA | 2:58
Detroit's lead service line replacement success | 3:40
A new PFAS testing method | 5:16
Housekeeping | 7:04
Resources
Endeavor Water Group ehandbooks
About the Podcast  
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Wastewater Digest (WWD), WaterWorld and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WW and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.    
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@endeavorb2b.com  engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.  

CROSSROADS Report: Charting the Future of Infrastructure

In this episode of Talking Under Water, co-host Katie Johns is joined by Maria Lehman, GHD’s U.S. Infrastructure Lead, past president of ASCE, and vice chair of the president's national infrastructure advisory council. Lehman and Johns discuss GHD’s new CROSSROADS research study, which explores intergenerational equity through an infrastructure lens. 13,000 people across multiple generations were surveyed globally to share their thoughts and insights of what the future of infrastructure looks like to them. In this episode, Lehman discusses key takeaways and more.
 Show Notes:
VIDEO: GHD study examines path to equitable infrastructure
New survey shows mixed feeling about future needs of America’s infrastructure
 
Timestamps:   
Introduction | 0:09
Interview begins |1:06
What is the CROSSROADS report? | 1:30
Surprising water findings from the report | 2:41
Charting a path forward | 8:02
Public vs. private sector impacts | 10:32
How does workforce impact the future of infrastructure? | 13:38
The growing engagement with water issues | 17:47
Parting thoughts | 19:03
Housekeeping | 20:43 
Resources
Endeavor Water Group ehandbooks
About the Podcast  
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Wastewater Digest (WWD), WaterWorld and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WW and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.   
   Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@endeavorb2b.com  engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.  
  
  
 
   
 
 

Coastal Resiliency Funding & Safe Drinking Water Act Violations

In this episode of Talking Under Water, the hosts dive into recent industry news, including NOAA funding for coastal resiliency along with a Safe Drinking Water Act Violation in New York state. Additionally, the hosts provide brief history and current notes on SRF funding. 
 
 Show Notes:  
NOAA announces nearly $220 million for habitat restoration and coastal resilience 
U.S. EPA announces settlement with New York water provider for violating Safe Drinking Water Act 
Don't mess with the money: A look into the Clean Water State Revolving Fund 
 
Timestamps:   
Cold open | 0:00
Host introduction and episode summary | 0:36
NOAA funding for habitat restoration | 1:21
U.S. EPA SDWA settlement in New York | 2:42
CWSRF and the challenge of earmarks | 7:40
Housekeeping | 10:33
 
About the Podcast   
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Wastewater Digest (WWD), WaterWorld and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WW and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.   
   
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@endeavorb2b.com  engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.  
  

SCOTUS overturns Chevron deference: Now what?

In June, the United States Supreme Court overturned a 40-year-old precedent called “Chevron deference” in the “Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo” case. Chevron deference essentially meant that in cases where interpretation of a law developed by Congress was grey the courts would yield their decisions to the primacy agency in charge of enforcing the law. With this latest ruling, deference will not be given to those agencies, however, and the courts will be the ones to decide the outcome.   
  
To better understand the impact this might have on the water industry, this episode features two interviews. In the first, Co-host Bob Crossen spoke with Jessie Rosell, a partner in Lathrop GPM's PFAS practice, about the impacts of Chevron on PFAS regulations and how the regulatory process may shift and change in the wake of his latest Supreme Court ruling. In the second interview, Co-host Katie Johns spoke with Seth Brown, executive director for the National Municipal Stormwater Alliance, about the impacts he anticipates seeing and what it means for the water sector.  
 
Show Notes:  
The future of regulatory authority – and how this may impact the stormwater sector 
Supreme Court Rulings Challenge EPA Authority, Sparking Environmental Concerns 
EPA designates PFOA and PFOS as hazardous substances under CERCLA 
What do the new PFAS MCLs mean for the water industry? 
From Endeavor Business Media
Chevron deference is gone. What does that mean for trucking? - Fleet Owner
SCOTUS limits power of federal government to regulate environmental, energy issues - Oil & Gas Journal
Timestamps:  
Introduction and episode summary: 0:08
Overview of Chevron deference with Jessie Rosell | 1:46
The thrust of the original Chevron decision | 3:00
Impacts of Chevron's overturn on PFAS regulations | 3:52
Challenges to the PFAS MCLs | 5:48
How the reversal of Chevron impacts regulation promulgation | 7:24
More involved Congressional hearings for effective law-making |9:37
Are lower courts prepared for this case load? | 10:32
How uncertainty creates delays | 12:33
Chevron deference context with Seth Brown | 13:39
How Chevron will impact the water sector | 17:02
Loss of Chevron and insonsistent legal rulings | 23:10
Local and regional regulatory patchwork | 26:17
Chevron overturn impacts future regulations, not past ones | 30:38
Housekeeping | 34:09 
About the Podcast   
Talking Under Water is the premier podcast for the water industry, including municipal and industrial water and wastewater, residential water treatment, storm water management and erosion control. It is produced in coordination between Wastewater Digest (WWD), WaterWorld and Storm Water Solutions (SWS). The podcast covers topics under the One Water movement including the municipal and industrial water and wastewater, point of use, point of entry, residential, storm water and erosion control markets. Talking Under Water highlights news, trends, new technologies, industry discussions and on-site interviews with experts for WWD, WW and SWS. New episodes of the podcast are released on the third Friday of every month. Logo Images: Anatoly Tiplyashin / Romolo Tavani / stock.adobe.com.  
Contact the Talking Under Water podcast editors by emailing talkingunderwater@endeavorb2b.com  engaging with them on Twitter @TUWpodcast. Join the conversation by commenting or using the hashtag #talkingunderwaterpod on social media.